Stop BEASTINGS in the Army

CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE REGARDING HOW WE USE DISCIPLINE BECAUSE IF LIKE THIS CASE IT GETS IN THE WRONG HANDS THEN IM AFRAID THIS COULD HAPPEN AGAIN.
BULLYING IS WRONG AND DOES NOT CREATE GOOD DISCIPLINE! FACT...
GOVERMENT NEEDS TO MAKE CHANGES OR ARE THEY TOO SCARED TO INTERVENE!!!

What an horrific incident to deal with, this lad signed up to fight for his country and all he got was abuse and torture from his fellow officers in a bullying practice that is illegal according to my ex-servicemen grandad
My question to the Hierchy would be ....
HOW DID THEM BASTARDS GET AWAY WITH WITH THE CRIMES THEY COMMITTED???

keep the fight my dear lady,you have our continues support

Clare (St Albans)

Keep fighting debra you absolutely deserve justice. i dont know how these people sleep at night but what goes around comes around. Good luck and thankyou for all the information you have provided in this fantastic site and on the facebook page and also for what you are doing to prevent bullying in the future for our soldiers.

I back this campaign and I am a soldier, beastings can get way out of hand and its NOT way you join the army seamus. Discipline is one thing but there is no need to take it that far

I BACK THIS CAMPAIGN TO STOP BEASTINGS IN OUR BRITISH ARMY BECAUSE I WAS BEASTED SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I WAS SERVING AND ON 1 OCCASION I WAS SO EXHAUSTED THAT I HAD TO BE ADMITTED TO HOSPITAL,SO I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AND IT DIGUSTS ME THAT THESE BULLIES ALWAYS GET PROTECTED WHEN YOU REPORT THEM FOR THE BULLYING.
IT WILL NEVER STOP IN THE ARMY BUT FOR THE SAKE OF OTHER SOLDIERS IT SHOULD BE CLOSELY MONITORED BY AN INDEPENDENT ORGANISATION AND THEN MAYBE THIS EXTREME BULLYING WILL BE NON EXTISTENT IN THE FUTURE.

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR CAMPAIGN

LOU X
(CATTERICK 2002)

MoD need to change some rules if they want the public to warm to them, This case just highlights the fact that the Army have really unhealthy human beings in their ranks,for them to allow an episode to happen in this day and age.
I am really ashamed to say i am BRITISH if this is the way to treat our own colleagues in the Army.
wish you every success in your quest for any changes

GS

I have to comment on this as i have only just found this site although i am fully aware what had happend to Private williams,it was a shock when i first heard about this story but when i have read through everything that had happened i just felt sick to my stomach that these Bullies in uniform were allowed to get away with the abuse they cowardly dished out although they say it is normal in the Army???
I have never heard so much nonsense when the British Army thinks it's ok to BULLY their own soldiers to make them a more discliplined individual....JUSTICE would be a better word to use
best of luck with the campaign,you have my backing

Rob

MoD are scumbags in my view, our boys are fighting in afgan and iraq without the proper protection, Bullying, rapes, racial abuse, physical abuse, mental torture.......ALL HAPPENING IN OUR OWN BACK YARD!!!
Hopefully they will eventually be fully investigated by the autorities...But i suspect NOT!

Keep this campaign going, you have got the support

H.B... Ex-serviceman

(sorry to give a false name but it's for obvious reasons???)

This sort of punishment should never be used in our so called modern army, There is enough people dying in our army during this disgusting WAR never mind in our own secure barracks.
What the f##k is going on in our British Army and our goverment for letting things like this go on in there!
i think it's appalling the way this young boy was treated and i think the ones involved should of been convicted of MURDER! coz thats what it was.

Wishing you good luck in the campaign

Katie x

I must agree with Trudy's comments about how the bloody hell did they get off with killing this young boy when they knew exactly what was right and wrong, they are officers and should know how to deal with things properly.
The BRITISH ARMY are a disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves for allowing Bullying to take place,and to bring out a stiff penalty to the officers who commit this awful crime!

Best of luck with your campaign

Gillian Fuller
(Scotland)

what does my head in is, in the real world you get done for murder and sentenced for how many years, yet in the army you kill someone but they get away with it, they killed gavin on perpous now they should be sentenced and thrown out of the Army for good they new dawn bloody well what they were doing. Deb be strong Gavs watching over you someone will be punished in the end, its no wonder people are being put off by joining the Army with all this bullying going on maybe someone should bully the ones in charge give them a taste what it feels like. Your doing really well Debs 3 years on and still fighting you got everyone behind you and full support keep me posted lovely ok love Trudy. xx

What absolutely amazes me is that the Bully in Chief, Mark Davis has since be promoted, just how insensitive is that,
he was the main culprit in this episode, yet gets away scott free, and then gets promoted. Just shows the contempt of the MOD and other senior officers who let this Beasting be carried out.

This is a really sad story which says it all about our British Bullying Army....
They are suppose to be looking after each other not abusing a soldier because he was naughty!
There are much more respectable ways of dealing with someone who has been out of order!
Our British Army including the MoD are a disgrace for allowing this sort of activity to take place at any barracks as these young soldiers are proud to fight for their country and should be respected for doing that.
Discipline..YES
Torture ..NO

Take the MoD to the cleaners if i were you!

My support is 1000% behind you

JO x

I read all about this case and i felt i had to comment on the way our British Army treats our own soldiers when they not even in a war zone, it's an absolute disgrace what they put this young man through and how they were aquitted of manslaughter was a complete JOKE!
i hope you find the courage to carry on fighting for your son as he did NOT deserve to die the way he did
best wishes for the future

Neil Baker

I agree that captain Mark Davies should have been found guilty with the other 3 who committed the BEASTING as they all knew what they had done to this poor young lad,It could of been prevented if the neccesary sanction that he deserved was implemented instead of this barbaric gutless Bullying session that took place.
I hope you get some answers from the MoD as to what they intend to do about the BEASTING culture that remains in the British Army because they cannot cover up this case like so many other casese in recent years

you have my support 100%

Captain Davis should have been in the dock with the three bullies(who got away with it), he was the one with the least integrity, getting others to do his dirty work. There are other ways of disciplining people, without killing them.
People who behave like Davis and the other three have a lack of intelligence because they can only bully and not use their brain to solve problems of ill discipline. Best of luck with your battle against the MOD and the Thugs Brigade..

Hello

Although I don't work in the forces, I know how bullying can affect people as I am a victim of years of bullying since childhood due to being different.

From my own experiences I know of some 'macho' people who have been in the army who still use their physical powers, emotions and size to intimidate and control others in society - especially those who continue to exercise authority and treat members of society as subordinates since it is obvious in their character. There is plenty of this going on outside of the army as well so I am sure many people have an understanding of the persecution bullying causes although what happened to Gavin is rather more extreme and it is more likely to go on in the army.

To me it all boils down to an inability since most bullies have insufficient intelligence to be compassionate, professional and to reason intelligently.

If you watch The Weakest Link, then while it is a game and the players abide by the rules, you will see sometimes how cowards gang up on the strongest to make the strongest look the weakest in an attempt to make their challenge easier and can get away with this using the power of the vote rather than facts - this is like people in authority abusing their power to override the truth and make victims look as if they are in the wrong or weak.

It takes a tear to understand what someone has gone through so I can offer you my deepest sympathy and moral support for what happened to Gavin and am wholly against these bullies, cheats, liars and backstabbers who will do whatever they can to suppress the truth and come out spotless - like so many in government who are whitewashed by bureaucracy.

Bullies are the ones who have problems 24-7-365 because of what they are and shouldn't use others as stepping stones or punch bags to progress and pretend to be proud of their achievements when they have taken everything from their victims.

I don't know if sharing ideas and innocence with strengths on our sides in comparison with these evils of those who cause the problem will help, but I have spoken with many other victims who have shared their feelings with me and felt very much better knowing that someone can understand their feelings and that the truth is prevailing over the lies and corruption. For me it is recognising the truth and I don't care what people who don't honour the truth think - the truth is solid and will never change whereas lies and deceit (associated with cowards, bullies, malpractice, etc.) will eventually crumble.

So I wish you the best of luck in your campaign and hope more awareness of the problem will help eliminate beasting in the army together with harsh punishment for those convicted of having done it.

I am sorry you have had to make this web site, and I wish you all the best with your right to justice.

As a student I was made to read "the winslow boy" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winslow_Boy I think there are many similarities.. Let Right Be Done!

Can I also suggest somewhere you put a paypall donate button.. I dont have much money, but we would have donated something to the right for your son NOT to have been killed, by those who were meant to be helping him to protect OUR freedom. The freedom, our fathers, grandfathers, Mothers, and Grandmothers DIED for!

There are rules and levels you have to abide by for discipline and beasting is NOT one of them! None of them inclued phyical harm or death, doesn't matter if you are the queen or unemplyed noone should have a beasting!

Happy to help to try to stop this from happening.
My Grandfather and Brother were in the RAF

RIP your son

I got beasted in the army when I screwed up it hurt it was meant to.
but sober and not until I collapsed they messed up and killed your son.
PTI's are trained to recognise the danger of heat injury and should have prevented this.
sober him up make sure he's not dehyrdated then beast him.

god bless keep up the good work you are doing god be with you

My brother is an ex serviceman. Confirmed to me after i asked more details regarding the news on your son that this does happen. He has never known of someone getting seriously hurt or dying from the punishment however confirmed it is a really intense punishment. If it gets out of hand which has clearly happened here, it is TOTALLY unacceptable. I disagree with this form of ILLEGAL punishment and so does my brother! I hope justice is served for you and it stops happening all together to stop this happening again. Who's to say someone isnt going to die through this punishment today/tomorrow? My deepest condolences to you and your family!

I really wish you the very best of success in your campaign against this barbaric, potentially (and clearly actually) deadly practice. It should have no place whatsoever in the modern British Army. Best wishes, and sorry for your dreadful loss.

Firstly im so sorry of your loss and think what ur doing is amazin it should be stoped and someone should be held responsable for Gavins death good luck x

the army cant control the soldiers there,there to do there job not to be bullied!!

1 death is 1 too many if the army cant control the soldiers then that is their fault not the soldiers.....by the sounds of antony williams hes stuck in the history books of the stiff upper lip...Gavin certainly wasnt responsible for his own death...
dont get me wrong there has to be discipline but this isnt it...... we shout our gobs off to the rest of the world tallnig them where theyve gone wrong & how we know best...yet we allow bullies in uniform to treat those that CHOOSE to protect us like this...... fantastic... & we claim to be civilised....B*ll*cks if we allow this to go on....
to be killed by the enemy is one thing but to be killed by your own is disgusting

I'm afraid it's Antony Williams (previous - and insensitive - posting) who appears to be half-witted and ill-informed if he thinks that the following treatment, as described in the BBC court report, constitutes sensible remedial punishment: 'Sgt Blake said he decided to stop the beasting session after Pte Williams mentioned to him that he had been passing blood over the weekend, the court heard. Despite it being "obvious" that Pte Williams was in need of medical treatment, Sgt Blake marched him the long way round to the medical centre while making him perform regular overhead thrusts with a 15lb (7kg) gym bag...'

Keep up the good work, I am so sorry to hear what happened to Gavin, the Army is a law unto themseleves. I am fully aware that beastings are a fact of Army life and those accountable should be brought to task and convivted immediately. Good luck with your campaign xx

Keep up the good work, I am so sorry to hear what happened to Gavin, the Army is a law unto themseleves. I am fully aware that beastings are a fact of Army life and those accountable should be brought to task and convivted immediately. Good luck with your campaign xx

God is our advenger in all things. Those who harm His children shalled be severly punished. Amen God bless all our children!

Deb this web site is fab... your doing a great job Gav will be proud. still miss him so much, his memory will always live on in our hearts xxxx

Keep Up the good Work Deb....U know the Community r behind you
ALSO it wont bring Gavin bac...BUT if it stops any other young lad/lady from going through this ...Then Gavin didn't die in vain Deb
I was privilege to hav know Gavin from a baby...& everybody that knew him, will say he was full of fun & lived life to the max.....
Deb u mention that order for beasting come from higher ranks......
So was that the case with Gavin as well.... If so R they been punished as well???????????
Behind u 1000% deb

Sha x

Debra keep up the excellent work that you're doing bac you 100% and so do my family the boys and girls have got a tough enough job to do as it is without having to worry about being bullied .

my boy is waiting to go in and l will be worried enough about where he is posted without having to think of him getting bullied

keep up the good work its good to know the lads have some
one here to help them

Keep up the good work Debra. This Bullying and Beasting and Harrasment must be stopped NOW! Its been going on for far too long now to let it continue.

Very nice site!

It seems to me that the British army harbours many socially inadaquate people of less than average intelligence who get their perverted "kicks bullying kids. Why should England tremble??

Very nice site!

These monsters that beat our Born are no better than the Enemy..We give life ,love and respect to our children. All we ask for in return is that our British Army look after them,after all they Volunteer Themselves for our Freedem !!...

These monsters that beat our Born are no better than the Enemy..We give life ,love and respect to our children. All we ask for in return is that our British Army look after them,after all they Volunteer Themselves for our Freedem !!...

My son knew Gavin from school,and he has said how he was always the life and soul of the party.
Debra i hold my hat off to you for keeping the fight to stop this terrible beasting culture thats seems to be going on in our army.
wish you the greatest of luck and my family are 100% behind your campaign

Julie & Family xxx

miss u gav always tinkin of u bro....
we will get JUSTICE!! xxxxxxxxxx

Debbie, It was good to meet you, I wish you well with what lies ahead. I only hope that not too many young people find themselves needing the services of sites like your and Daniels Trust, let us hope that the Army start to learn some lessons at last.. You are a courageous lady, well done.
Elainexx

Hi Debbie, it was lovely to meet you and Adrian last week, we are really looking forward to us all working together in our fight against bullying and beasting in the Armed Forces.

Lynn and Norma (daniel's trust)

keep fighting deb, gav would be so proud of you and everything you are doing, i miss him so much cascade not the same without him carnivals are so boring now.

As a former British Army commanding officer i follow all the news on the military thoughout the world,when i seen this young poor boy being treated by his own superiors by the way of Beasting drill punishment i was appalled that the officers in charge got away with manslaughter.I do NOT condone that sort of punishment and i have never autorised it either and i never would.
There are alot of good people in the army especially back in my day,but these days they take the law into their own hands and turn into bullies in which the Army is full of at the moment. I just wish you the very best of luck with your campaign to stop the Beasting punishment in our Army,but my guess is you may not get very .... if you know what i mean!!! DEPCUT?
R.I.P private williams

Keep fighting Debra,you are making your son PROUD...
what happened to Gavin was an absolute disgrace especially when in the care of the goverment sector.
they should be very ashamed of themselves for allowing these BEASTING sessions to take place.
BAN BEASTINGS NOW!!!
good luck and god bless ...delboy x