Stop BEASTINGS in the Army
In Dedication to Private Gavin Williams
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18th NOVEMBER 2011
ARMY SERVICE INQUIRY
UPDATE... Medical Staff Involvement
Army Service Inquiry has been completed, It was held at Maindy barracks in Cardiff and lasted for just over a Week, We are now waiting for the full report from the Army as to what they recommend to stop something like this from happening AGAIN and what lessons have been learned from this tragic event.
We have listened to alot more evidence to what happened on July 3rd 2006 since attending the Army Service Inquiry especially the way the lack of Medical treatment Gavin was given when he was presented to the Medical team with all the symtoms of Overheating which include Exhaustion, Disorientation, Stomach cramps etc...
The Medical staff have the knowledge and experience to recognise the symtoms especially when they correctly diagnosed another soldier for the same Overheating, Exhaustion symtoms earlier that same day without any problems!!
All this was not heard by the Jury at the criminal court trial as the medical staff was not put on trial by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS)
But should they have been on trial???...
ARMY SERVICE INQUIRY
UPDATE... Medical Staff Involvement
Army Service Inquiry has been completed, It was held at Maindy barracks in Cardiff and lasted for just over a Week, We are now waiting for the full report from the Army as to what they recommend to stop something like this from happening AGAIN and what lessons have been learned from this tragic event.
We have listened to alot more evidence to what happened on July 3rd 2006 since attending the Army Service Inquiry especially the way the lack of Medical treatment Gavin was given when he was presented to the Medical team with all the symtoms of Overheating which include Exhaustion, Disorientation, Stomach cramps etc...
The Medical staff have the knowledge and experience to recognise the symtoms especially when they correctly diagnosed another soldier for the same Overheating, Exhaustion symtoms earlier that same day without any problems!!
All this was not heard by the Jury at the criminal court trial as the medical staff was not put on trial by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS)
But should they have been on trial???...
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Paul
03:17 PM on January 20, 2012
My deepest sympathays to you and all of your family for your loss,I remember gavins story very very well,I myself was bullied in the army when I was 17,that was 22yrs ago.beastings,beatings,etc,you name it and it goes on.I'm still effected by this to this day,I never got any justice for my I'll treatment,I hope and pray that Gavin gets his justice.
hi everyone and to Gavins family been thinking about gav today keep figthing deb wanna send my love to all of gavins family and friends me and gav were in cascade marching jazz band gavin taught me to play the drum bless him just a few words just to say i haven't forgotten about Gav. xx
Alan & Florence says...
Dear Debbie, we think about you alot this week in Court, as a Mother it must be heart breaking, but we know you and you are a very strong person"have the strenght to carry on"
God Bless
Alan & Florence
Hi both
Thanks for your support, it is very much appreciated in our fight to get some justice for Gavin!
hope you are both very well
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Alan & Florence
02:52 PM on August 06, 2011
Stop, stop, beastings in the Army, stop hurting these lovely, lovely parents, peers & friends, and especially the lovely
young man Gavin Williams, who prematurately left all our lives so empty.
young man Gavin Williams, who prematurately left all our lives so empty.
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Alan & Florence
02:18 PM on August 06, 2011
Dear Debbie, we think about you alot this week in Court, as a Mother it must be heart breaking, but we know you and you are a very strong person"have the strenght to carry on"
God Bless
Alan & Florence
God Bless
Alan & Florence
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steven rhys jones
12:18 PM on April 01, 2011
I was a serving soldier 3 years ago, when i read about what happened to gavin Williams i realised that i had been subjected to the same punishment a few times previously and was close to collapsing in pain.
I am now out of the Armed Forces and i am so happy to be out of there because all i learned in the 3 years was how to bully or be bullied, i was told by my CO to lie to the press when i was interviewed on my release to civi street, all in all the British army is a total waste of time and messes your head right up, i am still struggling at the moment about the abuse i suffered and i hope one day i can be a decent boy again.
You have my full support in your campaign to ban the Beasting punishment as it is happenning still NOW!
Steve Jones
I am now out of the Armed Forces and i am so happy to be out of there because all i learned in the 3 years was how to bully or be bullied, i was told by my CO to lie to the press when i was interviewed on my release to civi street, all in all the British army is a total waste of time and messes your head right up, i am still struggling at the moment about the abuse i suffered and i hope one day i can be a decent boy again.
You have my full support in your campaign to ban the Beasting punishment as it is happenning still NOW!
Steve Jones
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leanne aggis
11:27 AM on January 09, 2011
what a disgusting betrayal of our british army to punish one of our own soldiers in that way, He was going on to protect us in combat in the coming years but was killed by bullies who abused their power.
i believe in "what goes around comes around" and i hope one day thier lives will be affected in the same way as Gavin's family have suffered
you have my full support
lv Leanne
i believe in "what goes around comes around" and i hope one day thier lives will be affected in the same way as Gavin's family have suffered
you have my full support
lv Leanne
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Les
06:07 AM on November 23, 2010
You only have to look at the pictures of those three who were responsible for Gavin's death. Price looks a bully, and was the most hated man in the regiment. Edwards doesn't look much better, as for Blake, it's not too difficult to work out why he was a bully. I bet they were bullies at school, and joined the army so they could bully more. Those three are the Scum of the Earth, and are more suited to being in a sewer. It doesn't matter what the court has said, they killed Gavin whether they like it or not. The biggest dissappointment about this case is that Captain Mark Davis was not in the dock with those three, he is the biggest coward of the lot, a man who gives the order, but is too much of a coward to carry it out, then blames the others, a man of no integrity whatsoever. Davis is Scum, along with the other three.
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Les
08:47 AM on November 20, 2010
Why hasn't the p[erson who sanctioned this episode been demoted, instead of promoted. Captain Mark Davis is as guilty as the two sergeats and the corporal. They may have been found not guilty in a court of law, but they still killed him whether they like it or not. The three men are cowards and bullies of the worst kind, I just hope they cannot sleep properly at night, although bullies rarely suffer any after effects.
Thinking of you Deb and family I still cant believe Gavin is gone, wot them monsters done to him Gavin didn't deserve that at all there is punishment and punishing, not this, this could have been prevented if them officers followed the rules properly, Im so sorry Debs all the pain you are going through these monsters should be behind bars til the day they die, Still thinking of you everday if there's anything i can do to help let me know thoughts are with you all gavin will be proud of you. x
NEWS...
2 of the 3 officers who were put forward by the SIB (special investigatin branch) for disaplinary charges have now been sanctioned and their Army careers have been affected,but the Army are not willing to reveal the names of those 2 because of military law.
If they have been sanctioned for an offence why cannot they reveal their names??? if that had happened outside in civilian world their names would be in every newspaper in Britain if an offence was committed, so why does it not apply in Army world?
They are pathetic and as usual try to keep things as secret as possible and by the way it took them 6 months to make the decision and tried to delay it as much as possible.
Lawyers are challenging them on that law and will keep you all informed as to future developments
2 of the 3 officers who were put forward by the SIB (special investigatin branch) for disaplinary charges have now been sanctioned and their Army careers have been affected,but the Army are not willing to reveal the names of those 2 because of military law.
If they have been sanctioned for an offence why cannot they reveal their names??? if that had happened outside in civilian world their names would be in every newspaper in Britain if an offence was committed, so why does it not apply in Army world?
They are pathetic and as usual try to keep things as secret as possible and by the way it took them 6 months to make the decision and tried to delay it as much as possible.
Lawyers are challenging them on that law and will keep you all informed as to future developments
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fran
07:32 AM on June 14, 2010
My nephew was in the army for 3 years and he was getting bullied by his corporal under the orders from his CO, he has thankfully left now but it took him a year and half to get out, he tried to take his own life several times because he could not stand the thought of returning to his Barracks in Wiltshire.
It's very sad that Bullying still exists in todays british Army!!! believe me it's still going on even now as my nephews friend as informed hm that he is getting bullied aswell as some other reqruits in his battalion.
I will send you a private message with the names of the officers invovled and see if you can help
Best of luck with this campaign
Francis delowas
It's very sad that Bullying still exists in todays british Army!!! believe me it's still going on even now as my nephews friend as informed hm that he is getting bullied aswell as some other reqruits in his battalion.
I will send you a private message with the names of the officers invovled and see if you can help
Best of luck with this campaign
Francis delowas
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jerry farrell
07:53 AM on June 07, 2010
Bullying is a cowards way of dealing with things,i was bullied in my job and i did try to commit suiside on a number of time but for the sake of my child i didn't thank god!
Bullying should have serious conseqences if committed, and in most casae the perpertraters should be jailed for a lengthy sentence in my view.
Good luck with your campaign for your son, he did not deserve to be treated in that way
Jezza
Bullying should have serious conseqences if committed, and in most casae the perpertraters should be jailed for a lengthy sentence in my view.
Good luck with your campaign for your son, he did not deserve to be treated in that way
Jezza
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georgina harris
07:32 AM on May 05, 2010
SUPPORT THIS CAMPAIGN 100%
BEASTING, BULLYING IS A WAY OF ABUSE AND SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED IN TODAY'S SOCIETY IN ANY WORKING ENVIROMENT, THIS CASE IS APPALLING AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILY
BEST WISHES 4 THE FUTURE
GH
BEASTING, BULLYING IS A WAY OF ABUSE AND SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED IN TODAY'S SOCIETY IN ANY WORKING ENVIROMENT, THIS CASE IS APPALLING AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILY
BEST WISHES 4 THE FUTURE
GH
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Dai Young
06:04 PM on April 30, 2010
Debra
you keep fighting for your son, i support you and the campaign all way, My son wanted to join the Army in december but when he read about what happened he changed his mind which i am thankful.
hope you get some sort of justice, MoD are a disgrace!!!!!!!!!!
Best of luck
Dai (Rhyl)
you keep fighting for your son, i support you and the campaign all way, My son wanted to join the Army in december but when he read about what happened he changed his mind which i am thankful.
hope you get some sort of justice, MoD are a disgrace!!!!!!!!!!
Best of luck
Dai (Rhyl)
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sonia dunsten
08:56 AM on April 12, 2010
i fully support this campaign to get Bullying stopped wheather it's in the Army or not!!!!!!!!
BULLYING IS ILLEGAL...and theculprits should be punished severly in my opinion
good luck
Sonia x
BULLYING IS ILLEGAL...and theculprits should be punished severly in my opinion
good luck
Sonia x
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John Mears
11:49 AM on March 30, 2010
I sincerly hope that whoever was responsible for this young lads sad death is haunted for the rest of their lives, also the MoD and Army are held to account for their actions in letting this punishment take place, After all he was in their care and it's their responsibility for his safety at base camp.
This is a very sad case and hopefully lessons will be learned by the MoD and the British Army..
hope your campaign helps you on your way dear
John (ex serving soldier)
This is a very sad case and hopefully lessons will be learned by the MoD and the British Army..
hope your campaign helps you on your way dear
John (ex serving soldier)
Hi all
Please sign the petition to stop the BEASTING punishment exercise in the Army...
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/BEASTINGS-2-STOP/
Please sign the petition to stop the BEASTING punishment exercise in the Army...
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/BEASTINGS-2-STOP/
CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE REGARDING HOW WE USE DISCIPLINE BECAUSE IF LIKE THIS CASE IT GETS IN THE WRONG HANDS THEN IM AFRAID THIS COULD HAPPEN AGAIN.
BULLYING IS WRONG AND DOES NOT CREATE GOOD DISCIPLINE! FACT...
GOVERMENT NEEDS TO MAKE CHANGES OR ARE THEY TOO SCARED TO INTERVENE!!!
BULLYING IS WRONG AND DOES NOT CREATE GOOD DISCIPLINE! FACT...
GOVERMENT NEEDS TO MAKE CHANGES OR ARE THEY TOO SCARED TO INTERVENE!!!
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clare diamond
12:35 PM on January 22, 2010
What an horrific incident to deal with, this lad signed up to fight for his country and all he got was abuse and torture from his fellow officers in a bullying practice that is illegal according to my ex-servicemen grandad
My question to the Hierchy would be ....
HOW DID THEM BASTARDS GET AWAY WITH WITH THE CRIMES THEY COMMITTED???
keep the fight my dear lady,you have our continues support
Clare (St Albans)
My question to the Hierchy would be ....
HOW DID THEM BASTARDS GET AWAY WITH WITH THE CRIMES THEY COMMITTED???
keep the fight my dear lady,you have our continues support
Clare (St Albans)
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deb wilson
03:14 PM on January 16, 2010
Keep fighting debra you absolutely deserve justice. i dont know how these people sleep at night but what goes around comes around. Good luck and thankyou for all the information you have provided in this fantastic site and on the facebook page and also for what you are doing to prevent bullying in the future for our soldiers.
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Tommy Coombes
02:00 PM on January 11, 2010
I back this campaign and I am a soldier, beastings can get way out of hand and its NOT way you join the army seamus. Discipline is one thing but there is no need to take it that far
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lou sidari
08:40 AM on January 07, 2010
I BACK THIS CAMPAIGN TO STOP BEASTINGS IN OUR BRITISH ARMY BECAUSE I WAS BEASTED SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I WAS SERVING AND ON 1 OCCASION I WAS SO EXHAUSTED THAT I HAD TO BE ADMITTED TO HOSPITAL,SO I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AND IT DIGUSTS ME THAT THESE BULLIES ALWAYS GET PROTECTED WHEN YOU REPORT THEM FOR THE BULLYING.
IT WILL NEVER STOP IN THE ARMY BUT FOR THE SAKE OF OTHER SOLDIERS IT SHOULD BE CLOSELY MONITORED BY AN INDEPENDENT ORGANISATION AND THEN MAYBE THIS EXTREME BULLYING WILL BE NON EXTISTENT IN THE FUTURE.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR CAMPAIGN
LOU X
(CATTERICK 2002)
IT WILL NEVER STOP IN THE ARMY BUT FOR THE SAKE OF OTHER SOLDIERS IT SHOULD BE CLOSELY MONITORED BY AN INDEPENDENT ORGANISATION AND THEN MAYBE THIS EXTREME BULLYING WILL BE NON EXTISTENT IN THE FUTURE.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR CAMPAIGN
LOU X
(CATTERICK 2002)
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grant smith
08:16 PM on December 14, 2009
MoD need to change some rules if they want the public to warm to them, This case just highlights the fact that the Army have really unhealthy human beings in their ranks,for them to allow an episode to happen in this day and age.
I am really ashamed to say i am BRITISH if this is the way to treat our own colleagues in the Army.
wish you every success in your quest for any changes
GS
I am really ashamed to say i am BRITISH if this is the way to treat our own colleagues in the Army.
wish you every success in your quest for any changes
GS
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robbie lyons
02:09 PM on December 14, 2009
I have to comment on this as i have only just found this site although i am fully aware what had happend to Private williams,it was a shock when i first heard about this story but when i have read through everything that had happened i just felt sick to my stomach that these Bullies in uniform were allowed to get away with the abuse they cowardly dished out although they say it is normal in the Army???
I have never heard so much nonsense when the British Army thinks it's ok to BULLY their own soldiers to make them a more discliplined individual....JUSTICE would be a better word to use
best of luck with the campaign,you have my backing
Rob
I have never heard so much nonsense when the British Army thinks it's ok to BULLY their own soldiers to make them a more discliplined individual....JUSTICE would be a better word to use
best of luck with the campaign,you have my backing
Rob
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Harold b
08:12 AM on November 20, 2009
MoD are scumbags in my view, our boys are fighting in afgan and iraq without the proper protection, Bullying, rapes, racial abuse, physical abuse, mental torture.......ALL HAPPENING IN OUR OWN BACK YARD!!!
Hopefully they will eventually be fully investigated by the autorities...But i suspect NOT!
Keep this campaign going, you have got the support
H.B... Ex-serviceman
(sorry to give a false name but it's for obvious reasons???)
Hopefully they will eventually be fully investigated by the autorities...But i suspect NOT!
Keep this campaign going, you have got the support
H.B... Ex-serviceman
(sorry to give a false name but it's for obvious reasons???)
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katie
09:20 AM on November 18, 2009
This sort of punishment should never be used in our so called modern army, There is enough people dying in our army during this disgusting WAR never mind in our own secure barracks.
What the f##k is going on in our British Army and our goverment for letting things like this go on in there!
i think it's appalling the way this young boy was treated and i think the ones involved should of been convicted of MURDER! coz thats what it was.
Wishing you good luck in the campaign
Katie x
What the f##k is going on in our British Army and our goverment for letting things like this go on in there!
i think it's appalling the way this young boy was treated and i think the ones involved should of been convicted of MURDER! coz thats what it was.
Wishing you good luck in the campaign
Katie x
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Gillian fuller
08:08 AM on November 16, 2009
I must agree with Trudy's comments about how the bloody hell did they get off with killing this young boy when they knew exactly what was right and wrong, they are officers and should know how to deal with things properly.
The BRITISH ARMY are a disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves for allowing Bullying to take place,and to bring out a stiff penalty to the officers who commit this awful crime!
Best of luck with your campaign
Gillian Fuller
(Scotland)
The BRITISH ARMY are a disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves for allowing Bullying to take place,and to bring out a stiff penalty to the officers who commit this awful crime!
Best of luck with your campaign
Gillian Fuller
(Scotland)
what does my head in is, in the real world you get done for murder and sentenced for how many years, yet in the army you kill someone but they get away with it, they killed gavin on perpous now they should be sentenced and thrown out of the Army for good they new dawn bloody well what they were doing. Deb be strong Gavs watching over you someone will be punished in the end, its no wonder people are being put off by joining the Army with all this bullying going on maybe someone should bully the ones in charge give them a taste what it feels like. Your doing really well Debs 3 years on and still fighting you got everyone behind you and full support keep me posted lovely ok love Trudy. xx
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Les
03:20 AM on November 12, 2009
What absolutely amazes me is that the Bully in Chief, Mark Davis has since be promoted, just how insensitive is that,
he was the main culprit in this episode, yet gets away scott free, and then gets promoted. Just shows the contempt of the MOD and other senior officers who let this Beasting be carried out.
he was the main culprit in this episode, yet gets away scott free, and then gets promoted. Just shows the contempt of the MOD and other senior officers who let this Beasting be carried out.
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joel
09:21 AM on November 10, 2009
This is a really sad story which says it all about our British Bullying Army....
They are suppose to be looking after each other not abusing a soldier because he was naughty!
There are much more respectable ways of dealing with someone who has been out of order!
Our British Army including the MoD are a disgrace for allowing this sort of activity to take place at any barracks as these young soldiers are proud to fight for their country and should be respected for doing that.
Discipline..YES
Torture ..NO
Take the MoD to the cleaners if i were you!
My support is 1000% behind you
JO x
They are suppose to be looking after each other not abusing a soldier because he was naughty!
There are much more respectable ways of dealing with someone who has been out of order!
Our British Army including the MoD are a disgrace for allowing this sort of activity to take place at any barracks as these young soldiers are proud to fight for their country and should be respected for doing that.
Discipline..YES
Torture ..NO
Take the MoD to the cleaners if i were you!
My support is 1000% behind you
JO x
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Neil
04:46 AM on November 03, 2009
I read all about this case and i felt i had to comment on the way our British Army treats our own soldiers when they not even in a war zone, it's an absolute disgrace what they put this young man through and how they were aquitted of manslaughter was a complete JOKE!
i hope you find the courage to carry on fighting for your son as he did NOT deserve to die the way he did
best wishes for the future
Neil Baker
i hope you find the courage to carry on fighting for your son as he did NOT deserve to die the way he did
best wishes for the future
Neil Baker
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Lisa Collins
09:09 AM on November 02, 2009
I agree that captain Mark Davies should have been found guilty with the other 3 who committed the BEASTING as they all knew what they had done to this poor young lad,It could of been prevented if the neccesary sanction that he deserved was implemented instead of this barbaric gutless Bullying session that took place.
I hope you get some answers from the MoD as to what they intend to do about the BEASTING culture that remains in the British Army because they cannot cover up this case like so many other casese in recent years
you have my support 100%
I hope you get some answers from the MoD as to what they intend to do about the BEASTING culture that remains in the British Army because they cannot cover up this case like so many other casese in recent years
you have my support 100%
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Les
09:19 AM on October 30, 2009
Captain Davis should have been in the dock with the three bullies(who got away with it), he was the one with the least integrity, getting others to do his dirty work. There are other ways of disciplining people, without killing them.
People who behave like Davis and the other three have a lack of intelligence because they can only bully and not use their brain to solve problems of ill discipline. Best of luck with your battle against the MOD and the Thugs Brigade..
People who behave like Davis and the other three have a lack of intelligence because they can only bully and not use their brain to solve problems of ill discipline. Best of luck with your battle against the MOD and the Thugs Brigade..
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John RJ
05:30 AM on October 30, 2009
Hello
Although I don't work in the forces, I know how bullying can affect people as I am a victim of years of bullying since childhood due to being different.
From my own experiences I know of some 'macho' people who have been in the army who still use their physical powers, emotions and size to intimidate and control others in society - especially those who continue to exercise authority and treat members of society as subordinates since it is obvious in their character. There is plenty of this going on outside of the army as well so I am sure many people have an understanding of the persecution bullying causes although what happened to Gavin is rather more extreme and it is more likely to go on in the army.
To me it all boils down to an inability since most bullies have insufficient intelligence to be compassionate, professional and to reason intelligently.
If you watch The Weakest Link, then while it is a game and the players abide by the rules, you will see sometimes how cowards gang up on the strongest to make the strongest look the weakest in an attempt to make their challenge easier and can get away with this using the power of the vote rather than facts - this is like people in authority abusing their power to override the truth and make victims look as if they are in the wrong or weak.
It takes a tear to understand what someone has gone through so I can offer you my deepest sympathy and moral support for what happened to Gavin and am wholly against these bullies, cheats, liars and backstabbers who will do whatever they can to suppress the truth and come out spotless - like so many in government who are whitewashed by bureaucracy.
Bullies are the ones who have problems 24-7-365 because of what they are and shouldn't use others as stepping stones or punch bags to progress and pretend to be proud of their achievements when they have taken everything from their victims.
I don't know if sharing ideas and innocence with strengths on our sides in comparison with these evils of those who cause the problem will help, but I have spoken with many other victims who have shared their feelings with me and felt very much better knowing that someone can understand their feelings and that the truth is prevailing over the lies and corruption. For me it is recognising the truth and I don't care what people who don't honour the truth think - the truth is solid and will never change whereas lies and deceit (associated with cowards, bullies, malpractice, etc.) will eventually crumble.
So I wish you the best of luck in your campaign and hope more awareness of the problem will help eliminate beasting in the army together with harsh punishment for those convicted of having done it.
Although I don't work in the forces, I know how bullying can affect people as I am a victim of years of bullying since childhood due to being different.
From my own experiences I know of some 'macho' people who have been in the army who still use their physical powers, emotions and size to intimidate and control others in society - especially those who continue to exercise authority and treat members of society as subordinates since it is obvious in their character. There is plenty of this going on outside of the army as well so I am sure many people have an understanding of the persecution bullying causes although what happened to Gavin is rather more extreme and it is more likely to go on in the army.
To me it all boils down to an inability since most bullies have insufficient intelligence to be compassionate, professional and to reason intelligently.
If you watch The Weakest Link, then while it is a game and the players abide by the rules, you will see sometimes how cowards gang up on the strongest to make the strongest look the weakest in an attempt to make their challenge easier and can get away with this using the power of the vote rather than facts - this is like people in authority abusing their power to override the truth and make victims look as if they are in the wrong or weak.
It takes a tear to understand what someone has gone through so I can offer you my deepest sympathy and moral support for what happened to Gavin and am wholly against these bullies, cheats, liars and backstabbers who will do whatever they can to suppress the truth and come out spotless - like so many in government who are whitewashed by bureaucracy.
Bullies are the ones who have problems 24-7-365 because of what they are and shouldn't use others as stepping stones or punch bags to progress and pretend to be proud of their achievements when they have taken everything from their victims.
I don't know if sharing ideas and innocence with strengths on our sides in comparison with these evils of those who cause the problem will help, but I have spoken with many other victims who have shared their feelings with me and felt very much better knowing that someone can understand their feelings and that the truth is prevailing over the lies and corruption. For me it is recognising the truth and I don't care what people who don't honour the truth think - the truth is solid and will never change whereas lies and deceit (associated with cowards, bullies, malpractice, etc.) will eventually crumble.
So I wish you the best of luck in your campaign and hope more awareness of the problem will help eliminate beasting in the army together with harsh punishment for those convicted of having done it.
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vicki
08:31 PM on October 29, 2009
I am sorry you have had to make this web site, and I wish you all the best with your right to justice.
As a student I was made to read "the winslow boy" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winslow_Boy I think there are many similarities.. Let Right Be Done!
Can I also suggest somewhere you put a paypall donate button.. I dont have much money, but we would have donated something to the right for your son NOT to have been killed, by those who were meant to be helping him to protect OUR freedom. The freedom, our fathers, grandfathers, Mothers, and Grandmothers DIED for!
As a student I was made to read "the winslow boy" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winslow_Boy I think there are many similarities.. Let Right Be Done!
Can I also suggest somewhere you put a paypall donate button.. I dont have much money, but we would have donated something to the right for your son NOT to have been killed, by those who were meant to be helping him to protect OUR freedom. The freedom, our fathers, grandfathers, Mothers, and Grandmothers DIED for!
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Hayley
04:58 PM on October 29, 2009
There are rules and levels you have to abide by for discipline and beasting is NOT one of them! None of them inclued phyical harm or death, doesn't matter if you are the queen or unemplyed noone should have a beasting!
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Ellen Johnson
04:26 PM on October 29, 2009
Happy to help to try to stop this from happening.
My Grandfather and Brother were in the RAF
My Grandfather and Brother were in the RAF
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woodybrighton
01:25 PM on October 29, 2009
RIP your son
I got beasted in the army when I screwed up it hurt it was meant to.
but sober and not until I collapsed they messed up and killed your son.
PTI's are trained to recognise the danger of heat injury and should have prevented this.
sober him up make sure he's not dehyrdated then beast him.
I got beasted in the army when I screwed up it hurt it was meant to.
but sober and not until I collapsed they messed up and killed your son.
PTI's are trained to recognise the danger of heat injury and should have prevented this.
sober him up make sure he's not dehyrdated then beast him.
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smith
10:20 AM on October 29, 2009
god bless keep up the good work you are doing god be with you
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Elliot
09:56 AM on October 29, 2009
My brother is an ex serviceman. Confirmed to me after i asked more details regarding the news on your son that this does happen. He has never known of someone getting seriously hurt or dying from the punishment however confirmed it is a really intense punishment. If it gets out of hand which has clearly happened here, it is TOTALLY unacceptable. I disagree with this form of ILLEGAL punishment and so does my brother! I hope justice is served for you and it stops happening all together to stop this happening again. Who's to say someone isnt going to die through this punishment today/tomorrow? My deepest condolences to you and your family!
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Adam Roberts
08:22 AM on October 29, 2009
I really wish you the very best of success in your campaign against this barbaric, potentially (and clearly actually) deadly practice. It should have no place whatsoever in the modern British Army. Best wishes, and sorry for your dreadful loss.
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Emma Mainwaring
07:28 AM on October 29, 2009
Firstly im so sorry of your loss and think what ur doing is amazin it should be stoped and someone should be held responsable for Gavins death good luck x
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christy
07:08 AM on October 29, 2009
the army cant control the soldiers there,there to do there job not to be bullied!!
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Maggie
05:45 AM on October 29, 2009
1 death is 1 too many if the army cant control the soldiers then that is their fault not the soldiers.....by the sounds of antony williams hes stuck in the history books of the stiff upper lip...Gavin certainly wasnt responsible for his own death...
dont get me wrong there has to be discipline but this isnt it...... we shout our gobs off to the rest of the world tallnig them where theyve gone wrong & how we know best...yet we allow bullies in uniform to treat those that CHOOSE to protect us like this...... fantastic... & we claim to be civilised....B*ll*cks if we allow this to go on....
to be killed by the enemy is one thing but to be killed by your own is disgusting
dont get me wrong there has to be discipline but this isnt it...... we shout our gobs off to the rest of the world tallnig them where theyve gone wrong & how we know best...yet we allow bullies in uniform to treat those that CHOOSE to protect us like this...... fantastic... & we claim to be civilised....B*ll*cks if we allow this to go on....
to be killed by the enemy is one thing but to be killed by your own is disgusting
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Stephen
05:20 AM on October 29, 2009
I'm afraid it's Antony Williams (previous - and insensitive - posting) who appears to be half-witted and ill-informed if he thinks that the following treatment, as described in the BBC court report, constitutes sensible remedial punishment: 'Sgt Blake said he decided to stop the beasting session after Pte Williams mentioned to him that he had been passing blood over the weekend, the court heard. Despite it being "obvious" that Pte Williams was in need of medical treatment, Sgt Blake marched him the long way round to the medical centre while making him perform regular overhead thrusts with a 15lb (7kg) gym bag...'
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mandy
03:58 AM on October 29, 2009
Keep up the good work, I am so sorry to hear what happened to Gavin, the Army is a law unto themseleves. I am fully aware that beastings are a fact of Army life and those accountable should be brought to task and convivted immediately. Good luck with your campaign xx
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mandy
03:58 AM on October 29, 2009
Keep up the good work, I am so sorry to hear what happened to Gavin, the Army is a law unto themseleves. I am fully aware that beastings are a fact of Army life and those accountable should be brought to task and convivted immediately. Good luck with your campaign xx
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Theresa Taylor
07:22 AM on October 14, 2009
God is our advenger in all things. Those who harm His children shalled be severly punished. Amen God bless all our children!
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